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Things have slowed down a bit with the contractors recently. It has been almost a week since we’ve had anyone actually doing anything to our house. However, we have had a couple stop out to get information on how to proceed with a few things.

First, one of the supposed flooring “experts” in town stopped by to check out the flooring damage. He is supposedly the best in the town according to our general contractor. While I wasn’t here to talk to him, Casey followed him around as he looked things over. In our living room, where both the tongue and groove sides of the flooring bowed out due to the moisture, and the flooring buckled in a couple areas, he claimed that it all had to come out. Same with the office on the main floor. He suggested replacing the maple (some of it is birds-eye) with oak because it is stronger and cheaper (price doesn’t matter when insurance is going to cover it, by the way flooring guy as long as it isn’t more expensive than what is in here). Then he looked at the steps going upstairs. He claimed that they were not sandable (which I have a hard time believing since they are a single board per step) and should be replaced.

Next, he looked at the upstairs which is all douglas fir, including the bathroom floor I spent hours and hours stripping of linoleum:

He said it all should come out as douglas fir isn’t a very hard wood.

First off, I put too much work into that floor to yank it out. It doesn’t look pretty in the pictures, but I’m certain it will sand out extremely nicely. Secondly, I don’t care if it isn’t as hard of a wood as, say, oak. Two reasons: one is that it is in pretty darn condition being that it is 80 years old, and the second is that I consider a ding or discoloration here and there “character.” It speaks to you. New flooring just doesn’t do that.

As far as the main floor, erm, floors go, I don’t see why it all has to come out. There are a couple spots that I can imagine the nails have failed and would have to at minimum be pulled up and renailed. Worst case is they’d have to replace the boards in that section. I have a few chunks of maple from when the kitchen/bathroom was turned into one room (granted it has a few layers of linoleum, nothing I haven’t seen before, right?) that could be used to fix these sections.

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Granted, maybe he is just trying to give a worst case call for the insurance to make sure we can get what we need fixed without insurance breathing down our necks. However, Casey said he made remarks about how the wood they used for our trim is supposedly garbage. Does he think we are going to go pull the 80 year old trim off the walls and run to Home Depot and grab some crap wood to replace it? Sure… we’ll get right on that on boss.

We have a different contractor who is going to do the bathroom flooring upstairs, and if we are happy with the results there, we will have him do the main floor as well as he seemed confident the majority of the floor could be salvaged and seems a bit more on our side.

Besides flooring, we still have an uninsulated kitchen and bathroom and our temps aren’t supposed to get above zero for the next several days so I really hope they can get in soon to get these walls covered. Our heating bill is going to be outrageous…

All in the life of a homeowner right?

9 Comments

9 Comments

  1. Di  •  Jan 23, 2009 @11:05 am

    If I were you, I wouldn’t work with a contractor that doesn’t have the same values as you. It will be frustrating for both of you, and that can make big problems. He’s right that douglas fir isn’t a very hard wood, but what difference does that actually make? My whole house is floored in yellow pine. Since it’s old, it’s much harder than “new” yellow pine, but it’s still considered a soft wood. I love the color and the character, and I wouldn’t trade it for oak in a zillion years.

    As for the living room… If you think it can be saved/repaired, it probably can be. Even if you can’t reuse the damaged floorboards, maple isn’t that difficult to find.

    Find a contractor that you can trust!

  2. Shane  •  Jan 23, 2009 @11:15 am

    Yeah, I definitely agree to that. We are really hoping the contractor that is finishing the douglas fir flooring in the bathroom upstairs does a good job. If he does, we’ll have him do the maple flooring. While he is far from a restoration purist, he seems to be more understanding and was making suggestions about waxing the steps, and seemed almost excited to work on the bathroom floor.

    Thanks for stopping by Di!

  3. Christopher Busta-Peck  •  Jan 23, 2009 @12:18 pm

    I’d say that you should do whatever you have to to keep the flooring that you have. I may be a bit of a curmudgeon, but there’s something really nice about the original flooring. So long as it isn’t splintering, I’m not a big fan of sanding, either. Patina is nice. A new coat of varnish or polyeurathane every now and then, of course, is probably a good idea.

    Don’t feel the need to refinish your floors because they are less than perfect. You bought an old house because you like old houses. So long as they aren’t hurting your feet and are sealed in such a way that they aren’t deteriorating, keep ‘em.

  4. Todd  •  Jan 23, 2009 @12:19 pm

    First of all, maple is harder than oak, always has been and always will be. Secondly, the warped pieces can be cut out, replaced and then have the entire floor refinished for a fraction of the cost of replacing the floor (most likely this is what the insurance company will want).

    Stairs can be sanded, but it’s a hard job as you can’t really get a heavy duty sander on it. I’d say strip them and sand them.

    Best of luck and be sure to get multiple local opinions!

  5. Jennfier  •  Jan 23, 2009 @12:37 pm

    That “soft” 80 year old Douglas fir is probably as hard as some new growth farmed oak is anyway! They don’t grow trees like they used to. The growth rings are much closer together.

    I’d definitely pass on this guy… he has no idea what he’s talking about with regards to old materials.

  6. Andrea  •  Jan 23, 2009 @8:58 pm

    What a do-do brain…. I have had a few contractors stop by, but they have pretty much told me the same thing yours did. They all want everything to look shiny and brand spanking new. I tossed the whole lot of them out and am doing it myself. I refinished the floors in a bungalow we bought next door. There really is nothing to it. It can be tedious, but it really isn’t that bad. I would definitely keep everything you possibly can. Good luck!

  7. Mark  •  Jan 26, 2009 @11:27 am

    I would leave as much original flooring as possible. Talk with some rehabbers in your area and ask who did their floors (assuming that the floors look good). We spoke with a couple and they were all hip to the floors and were excited that we had salvaged old wood for patches.

    I suspect that there are some good floor guys out your way. You’ve just not found them. Keep everything even if you have to do some replacement. Look for salvage wood to replace badly warped pieces.

    We ended up doing our own repairs and refinishing and we were happy with the outcome. It wasn’t that hard of a job.

    Mark

  8. Shane  •  Jan 27, 2009 @8:23 pm

    Wow, lots of great comments. Thankfully we have another month and half before anyone will even touch the floors to see how they will dry out completely. We are going to try to salvage 99% of the floor, if not all of it. I might see if the flooring guy (whoever we find) can simply pull up the floor where the nails have failed and re-toenail them in.

    Thanks for the help and nice comments!

  9. hallie  •  Jan 30, 2009 @11:23 am

    What an idiot!
    there is no way that those floors aren’t fixable. Sure, you may have to replace a board here and there or patch things with wood filler but do not listen to this douche. Regardless of what kind of wood they are, older is a million times more attractive.
    ps: I am your soul sister when it comes to the uninsulated kitchen and bath.
    Can you say 85 degrees to keep them from freezing (again)?

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